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Iyhi Baal
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:20:00 -
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And the moral of this story:
Always say "No!" to ransoms.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Rivur'Tam
If u have 80mil of implants in and i offer u a ransom of 50mil it seems stuiped not to pay it u save urself isk the trouble of getting a new clone and implants plus a loss mail.
And most of teh big pirate corps united veto the guristas ones etc etc will honour them its phail wanna be pirates that dishonuor them
My clones have implants and all my implants cost quite a bit more than 80 mil. I did not get to this point by handing out isk to every person that pointed a gun at me. I got what I have by being smart and not expecting more from pirates than what the OP demonstrated-- congrats on killing a sheep.
If you are shrew enough to catch me then I must have messed up on the risk calculation. Don't bother opening a convo. Kill away. By the time you finish picking up all my t2 junk I will be back in business and already forgotten about it.
What I won't do is aid you in a business model that is designed to hurt me. That's just stupid.
Say "No!" to ransoms.
ps. what's a loss mail ?
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:29:00 -
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the loss mail was an attempt at a joke. I delete all automaticly generated mail,
considering the number that I get just for docking a pod at a station and refueling notices, if I didn't I wouldn't be able to open mail for the lag spike.
Also, I am not trying to derail the topic. I am just stating succintly the lesson that the OP worked so hard to drive home; Paying ransoms is stupid.
Care to enlighten me Spank as to what part you think is pathetic. Lets see; is it pathetic to only fly what you can afford to lose, is it pathetic to realize that this is just a game, blowing up pixels don't matter, is it pathetic to use a scout. Perhaps it is pathetic to keep an eye on local and jet at the first sign of trouble. Maybe it is pathetic that I don't care about dying and I practice all the things that you guys say a pilot should do to avoid dying, practices that if applied consistently will make you filthy rich.
Here is what I think is pathetic. Your policies turn large swaths of New Eden into economic dead zones. What is this nonsense that once a person has been ransomed they have to leave. Based on that kind of broken logic anywhere you are no one else can be. That is just stupid. Wouldn't it have been better if you had used the dialog with him as a warning ( or here is a novel idea -- how about a mutual arrangement where you both could have made some isk -- he did offer.)
Then you follow it up by whining to CCP for changes to the game's mechanics to enliven these dead zones; taxes on empire dweller, reposition of industry assets such as POS to low space, nerfing down of NPC missions, and removal of NPC corp access. Hell one of you actually went as far as to ask publicly for CCP to implement an automatic ransom button; I guess that point and click as it is is too hard.
My message is simple -- you are going to get podded anyway so why pay to get podded. It is bad business. The fact that one person may occasionally "honor a ransom" does not move the average or the outcome one bit-- you are paying someone to do harm to you.
Actually, I applaud the OP for spreading the gospel. I can not be everywhere or on at all times to tell new pilots the futility of trying to reason with pirates. There can be no intelligent discourse. Just try to avoid being caught while you do your thing and when you do get caught move on as quickly as possible.
The best insulation against pirates and other losses while in New Eden is a warm blanket of isk. Isk makes piracy and death a minor inconvenience. Form a business plan that accounts for getting podded. At the same time piracy is a business, not a smart or well structured one but a business none the less. My campaign is to keep pirates poor and irrelevant. Then you can do me no harm. The nut is that some of my best advertisement advocates are you guys yourselves. This is PVP at its best.
So kill away and I will keep closing the convo.
A smart pilot says "NO!" to ransoms 
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:58:00 -
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Actually, I have been podded a billion time and I have never paid ransom. Anytime I begin to feel too attached to this clone I head to Decon and let someone pad their KB. Implants, ship, clone cost and all. For a while they stopped killing me (I guess it was not fun anymore).
Also, there is no rage here. I'm all about the isk baby!
The only thing I find troubling is that there is no mechanism for me to have a titan -- the only thing I lack is the infrastructure to claim SOV. I guess I could just buy one outright but that is a lot of trouble to go through to circumvent the lack of a backup alliance.
For you to see rage in my post means that you are assuming that we are equals which we are not ( and you know what they say about people that make assumptions).
A smart pilot still says "NO!" to ransoms.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrdax
here's what i got out of your posts:
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Well then you missed my point completely.
Let me break it down to you.
PVP is good. Hell, I actually once killed a person trying to kill me (was kind of strange). Mostly, I die but it ain't a big deal. Certainly, not such a big deal that I would pay someone to prevent it from happening.
Business is better. I like making isk. It allows me to manage my risk and opens doors for me. My business model includes room for me to get podded. Arguable, I can do more in the game than you because I can risk lots more than you(this is what I mean by not the same level). What my business plan does not include is for maintaining a well fare state of handing out isk to every1 that comes along.
I don't hate pirates--- well, actually I do in a role play kind of way. For me this is just economic PVP. It is all about minimizing you ability to impact my game play.
Hopefully, it the pilot is smart the OP just added a new pilot to my loose alliance of extortion resistance.
It is just good business sense to say "NO!" to ransoms.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:38:00 -
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quoting LiteShow;
Pirates will continue asking for ransom as long as someone pays it.
thanks Lite -- I could not have said it better myself.
I have resisted letting posters drag this into the personal but the service record does warrant some comment because it is relevant to the discussion.
Losing 3 carrier is "a'ight" but hardly special considering the 40% baseline payout of insurance. More likely they were fully insured but that is beside the point. What this does show is that you have entirely too much isk and if you are a dyed in the wool pirate the only way you could have gotten it is for victim pilots to have given it too you**. I find that unacceptable because they are paying you to threaten me.
What I hope is that the victim pilot has learned that paying ransoms sustains piracy( since we all know that since invention meta 4 ain't worth squat).
It's simple: To reduce the impact of piracy, pilots need to learn to stop paying ransom. I will stay on that message until every pirate i meet is confined to flying frigs and cruisers. It wont stop pvp and that is not my goal but it will make will make regular pilots think before they hand over isk and wake up in a clone vat for being stupid.
Smart pilots always answer "NO!" to ransoms.
**note that I did not imply that you are an outright isk buyer -- perhaps for the sake of civil discussion you might do the same in the future
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:02:00 -
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Not trying to stop piracy. That would be bland. Just trying to reduce its appeal so that other more structured forms of commerce can succeed.
If New Eden is a sand box then those that build structure should (and do) reap better rewards than those that treat it as a litter box.
Say "No!" to ransoms.
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